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>> a big one will be in the middle of march. we will get cost analysis from the retirement system on proposals out there. we will be gauging people's reactions to those numbers as a key market. the first couple of weeks of may will be important. that is when various proposals will be introduced in these chambers for the november ballot. june and july is when the board will vote on what goes in front of the electorate in november. those are the key milestones. >> talk about homelessness and how you are planning to deal with that as an issue. >> the key there is funding. everything gets back to that issue. we have a number of wonderful plans in place on how to address the homeless issue. we just cannot afford to. we continue to cut funding to shelters, public health programs that help our homeless population. if we were able to do what we have in place and fund that, we would be a better position on that issue. >> are there any specific programs with respect to homelessness that you feel are moving us in the right direction? >> th
>> a big one will be in the middle of march. we will get cost analysis from the retirement system on proposals out there. we will be gauging people's reactions to those numbers as a key market. the first couple of weeks of may will be important. that is when various proposals will be introduced in these chambers for the november ballot. june and july is when the board will vote on what goes in front of the electorate in november. those are the key milestones. >> talk about...
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he made a big deal out of working in clay. the things he was doing was something never seen before. >> it is a large scale bronze. it has been sitting here of the hall of justice since 1971. talk about what happens to the work of art out of the elements. >> the arts commission commissioned the piece. they did not set aside money for repair. it has slowly changed color. it was black. it has been restored. >> it has been restored to the original patina. >> there was no damage done to its. i do not think there were any holes made in it. they have been working on it for six or eight weeks. it is practically ready to go. i am very excited to see it done. >> over the course of the arts in richmond program, we have added almost 800 works of art into the public space. maintaining that is not something that the bond funds allow us to do. this is why you came up with the idea of art care. >> i hope we get the community going and get people who really like to be involved. we will give them a chance to be involved. if you are interested i
he made a big deal out of working in clay. the things he was doing was something never seen before. >> it is a large scale bronze. it has been sitting here of the hall of justice since 1971. talk about what happens to the work of art out of the elements. >> the arts commission commissioned the piece. they did not set aside money for repair. it has slowly changed color. it was black. it has been restored. >> it has been restored to the original patina. >> there was no...
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this is a big fire we will get these. it's hard for us to get around in a disaster from the streetcars and trolley buses stop, no electricity. we have the above groundwater system. it was invented years ago by our fire chiefs this is what saved the marina the boat pumping the water out put the fires out in the marina. you want to stop, look, listen and think. you size up the situation this is what we do in the fire department. you look at it. is it a little fire. a candle burning. do i get the fire extinguisher. is it a big fire can i put it out. >> it would cover the area the size of a table. anything bigger or high are than your head it's too big for you to put out with an extinguisher. wait until everybody is out. it's best to work in pairs. make sure you are the last one out of the room. do not lock it. avoid smoke and gases. cover your mouth and nose with a towel or sheet or dry cloth. if you have a jacket, if there is a flame on the way out put clothes on or wrap yourself in a blanket the layer of clothing will give
this is a big fire we will get these. it's hard for us to get around in a disaster from the streetcars and trolley buses stop, no electricity. we have the above groundwater system. it was invented years ago by our fire chiefs this is what saved the marina the boat pumping the water out put the fires out in the marina. you want to stop, look, listen and think. you size up the situation this is what we do in the fire department. you look at it. is it a little fire. a candle burning. do i get the...
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we need to take an act that -- an active stance, and i think ethnic studies is a big part of that. folks were here saying earlier that if you are learning from that eurocentric perspective, talking about how your people have been colonized and been killed and enslaved and not focusing on the beauty of our cultures that will come from, and the power that we do have in our traditions and cultures that i think will empower us and give us the price to care more about ourselves to maybe not join a gang and care more about trying to be a leader in our community because our past societies have done an amazing things. another thing is the progressive taxation. the wealthy pay a lower percentage, and i think that needs a change in order for us to get the resources that dcyf needs to distribute in the community, that this will destroy needs to execute the plan -- that the school district needs to execute the plan that never happened because those resources are not there. those are just a few of those things. >> i think, like, a training facility or proposition like workshops, like all the pr
we need to take an act that -- an active stance, and i think ethnic studies is a big part of that. folks were here saying earlier that if you are learning from that eurocentric perspective, talking about how your people have been colonized and been killed and enslaved and not focusing on the beauty of our cultures that will come from, and the power that we do have in our traditions and cultures that i think will empower us and give us the price to care more about ourselves to maybe not join a...
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it's a big clear stand wall, you know, stucco or something. and here, it appears to be and i don't know what the actual structure is. it appears to be stone below and a log building above. >> [laughter] >> with a big balcony deck on these giant beams that projects from the building. >> these are low beams and the real structure is hidden inside and for that quality of construction, they probably have pretty good flashing details. >> tremendous problems with water intrusion when you have that many horizontal members. because the water's going to want to get in to each and every one of those cracks between the horizontal boards of this. -- log building. we have a variety of different kinds of balconies and decks here, all of which have extreme waterproofing issues. it's a very, very modern one on the right. requires a very highly sophisticated flashing and waterproofing detail. >> i would say the one in the middle. and i know that building. i don't know if that particular building has been inspected but i've done a lot of those buildings that ha
it's a big clear stand wall, you know, stucco or something. and here, it appears to be and i don't know what the actual structure is. it appears to be stone below and a log building above. >> [laughter] >> with a big balcony deck on these giant beams that projects from the building. >> these are low beams and the real structure is hidden inside and for that quality of construction, they probably have pretty good flashing details. >> tremendous problems with water...
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this acts as a big sponge. the water flows through and it gets in a lower formation and then the water level starts to rise and it becomes a reservoir for water. this is dissipated during the more dry months of the year. >> this forms a big long skinny basin and runs into san francisco. it is the coastal bluffs areas that are subject to erosion from the waves and the ground water that comes out and you start to lose this. this is the largest example of failure for a long part of the coast. it has been moving continuously for a long time. >> the ocean was at the same level as we are standing. in 1982, and massive slide occurred further to the north of and one day it moves 5 feet and by the second day it moves 30 feet out. all of that land down below was sitting out here. it was a great deal logic feature of the landslide further to the south. there were houses on top and there was a very steep slope. you can see some debris slides where the sand is slowing. then you drop into a gully or a drainage swell. the top
this acts as a big sponge. the water flows through and it gets in a lower formation and then the water level starts to rise and it becomes a reservoir for water. this is dissipated during the more dry months of the year. >> this forms a big long skinny basin and runs into san francisco. it is the coastal bluffs areas that are subject to erosion from the waves and the ground water that comes out and you start to lose this. this is the largest example of failure for a long part of the...
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a big issue the planning department is considering something. you have comments on parking and the issues of automobiles. >> parking and other issues, when you have a historic home and adapting it to historic character. nobody wants a historic kitchen. kitchen, grablgs and things like that require creative adaptive reuse. if properly designed, most homes could benefit from having a garage. there are some homes that there is no tasteful way to do. i think those homes should forget having a garage. >> i went along the row of painted ladies and they all have a row of garages. those are the icons of san francisco. they all have garages. let's talk about the other interior and hardware issues. go back and talk about doors. here's inn exterior door set. how does one retain and maintain hardware like this. you don't want to replace should go like that. if you do it will be expensive. vsx+or?3vy÷voa;lñr you can rep parts. you buy a house and there's no key. you take this out -- >> have that replaced. you get it all rekeyed. there's one there. >> you
a big issue the planning department is considering something. you have comments on parking and the issues of automobiles. >> parking and other issues, when you have a historic home and adapting it to historic character. nobody wants a historic kitchen. kitchen, grablgs and things like that require creative adaptive reuse. if properly designed, most homes could benefit from having a garage. there are some homes that there is no tasteful way to do. i think those homes should forget having a...
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these are big holes. water intrusion is a serious problem. everything about this building is well-maintained, lighting in the front, t.v. cameras. this kind of lighting is no longer allowed. the energy code says you have to have lighting that is high- efficacy, meaning lots of lumens per watt. you can't just screw bulbs in any longer. it may not be done. i want to mention, it's not just the front of your building, it's your yard, too. the preventative maintainence would say, get some hot nails or screws or something designed for exterior use and screw them on. fix it before it breaks is the goal. everybody has a shed. the code says you can have a shed as long as it's not over 100 square feet of projected roof area. >> california code says 120 square feet. san francisco says 100. fire escapes need lots of maintainence. this requires a fire escape person or contractor to test it, lube it, maintain it. you have to keep it painted and scrubbed. wire brush. this is one of those folding ladders, which we used to approve. we still approve other fold
these are big holes. water intrusion is a serious problem. everything about this building is well-maintained, lighting in the front, t.v. cameras. this kind of lighting is no longer allowed. the energy code says you have to have lighting that is high- efficacy, meaning lots of lumens per watt. you can't just screw bulbs in any longer. it may not be done. i want to mention, it's not just the front of your building, it's your yard, too. the preventative maintainence would say, get some hot nails...
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>> san francisco's i is a big important city. you have access to your mayor, to supervisor cohen, president of the board of education, and a lot of people. these other people that make the decisions. we'll let you know what we have done so there is not just one opportunity but multiple opportunities. >> [inaudible] >> the media process, the national one is going to be done a little bit quicker than that. there'll be an indication of the next couple of months about what we have learned a we can do with the information to happen to come back earlier than annually to continue the dialogue. >> how does the process of the other services other than housing hopefully here in san francisco? >> affects all properties. if you have an apartment or a home and you have been discriminated against, we can take action. in housing decisions, where you live as an impact on some the other things. what your access is the hospitals, healthy foods, playgrounds, etc. pierhead as a platform for advancement and empowerment, it is really important. is is
>> san francisco's i is a big important city. you have access to your mayor, to supervisor cohen, president of the board of education, and a lot of people. these other people that make the decisions. we'll let you know what we have done so there is not just one opportunity but multiple opportunities. >> [inaudible] >> the media process, the national one is going to be done a little bit quicker than that. there'll be an indication of the next couple of months about what we have...
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there are other associations that are not doing that, and sometimes they come up with a big surprise, and say all of a sudden they get this 75,000, 100,000 assessment. it's not something i guess that the city can legislate, perhaps, but -- >> that's interesting -- >> but it's something everybody needs to know. there's a life to this product. >> there's an inplied did youribility to the code but doesn't stay what it is. we often approve materials and the code says when we approve alternative methods of materials, there's eight specific lets which include safety, health, fire assistiveness, security, durability is one of those things. when someone says i'm going to use this product and i think it's equivalent to what the code requires one of the questions is how durable will it be and that raises the question what is the durability that you would normally get out of a product that is approved by the code. as we move towards these so-called performance design standards where they say i'm going to perform like the code even though it's not a product that meets the code, we're more and mor
there are other associations that are not doing that, and sometimes they come up with a big surprise, and say all of a sudden they get this 75,000, 100,000 assessment. it's not something i guess that the city can legislate, perhaps, but -- >> that's interesting -- >> but it's something everybody needs to know. there's a life to this product. >> there's an inplied did youribility to the code but doesn't stay what it is. we often approve materials and the code says when we...
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it was to deal with all of the impacts of a hospital decide they want -- they want a big hospital and want to have to take care of everything else. i am very careful to know how each supervisor feels about the impact on the project. i would like cpmc to be successful because they do not have a lot of time. we would do the best we can and review every aspect of this so that they have the best chance of success. >> the issue of the state budgets have affected many local businesses. is there any way that the city could help more nonprofits? >> that is why i am proposing a set sales tax. the state did make some severe cuts. we do not know when those cuts will start that impacting the nonprofits. as you know, through our city budget, if you ask many of the nonprofits, they're pretty happy. we restored a lot of the original cuts. their services reflect the values that i hold, board of supervisors hold. now the state is making cuts, some in the same places that we've restored. we cannot promise to back fill all of those cuts. we can promise to go through the same process and asked what are t
it was to deal with all of the impacts of a hospital decide they want -- they want a big hospital and want to have to take care of everything else. i am very careful to know how each supervisor feels about the impact on the project. i would like cpmc to be successful because they do not have a lot of time. we would do the best we can and review every aspect of this so that they have the best chance of success. >> the issue of the state budgets have affected many local businesses. is there...
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and the big project is the capital project for pine lake meadow. they are going to returf the dog run and the meadow by the day camp. we are looking for a very busy fall. by the spring of next year should have major renovations to the mark thal make it an outstanding park. i don't ever refer to it as my park. all the parks belong to all the people. this park belongs just as much to the families in the bay view sdrishth as it does to the gentlemen that lives across the street. i'm happy and proud to be the caretaker for them. i wake up every day and thank that i have
and the big project is the capital project for pine lake meadow. they are going to returf the dog run and the meadow by the day camp. we are looking for a very busy fall. by the spring of next year should have major renovations to the mark thal make it an outstanding park. i don't ever refer to it as my park. all the parks belong to all the people. this park belongs just as much to the families in the bay view sdrishth as it does to the gentlemen that lives across the street. i'm happy and...
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also, have a big pool of money where every time somebody wants to create an organization or something to help youth, they will have the ability to create it. >> my main point was to mobilize the youth vote. even though i know many of you guys cannot vote, those ages have one of the lowest turnout rates for voting. compared to older people and especially those over 60, it really makes a difference because for example, politicians never talk about cutting social security or medicare because they know it would alienate one of the biggest voting platforms, which is older people. if more youth spoke up, they would not cut from education and stuff like that. >> more focus on education, also diversified education for youth. transitional services, restorative justice, and no tax cuts for the wealthy, so more funding for the less wealthy. >> also, one i have is just to be prioritizing, like someone else said earlier, like pulling out our troops from war and putting money that we would save from divesting in war into our education system to repair it. another is to change the definition of a co
also, have a big pool of money where every time somebody wants to create an organization or something to help youth, they will have the ability to create it. >> my main point was to mobilize the youth vote. even though i know many of you guys cannot vote, those ages have one of the lowest turnout rates for voting. compared to older people and especially those over 60, it really makes a difference because for example, politicians never talk about cutting social security or medicare because...
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this was a big deal when the middle schools opened up. at a very local level -- this has a direct impact for your age, and in between. the things that you educate us on today, they'll be debated with a different priority but we will take this back to washington. that will be part of the discussion with the other 99, and the different communities across the country. there are others who are not, and some of the work that is being done today, this is very important for the people in alabama. people facing the tornadoes and flooding. the only way that we can be ready in an emergency is to do our homework and listen to you and your counterparts across the country. i already have these discussions with others, and i wanted here with all of the it -- hear from all of you today. >> before we go with this activity, i would love for you to go round the room and say your name and age, and what agency you represent. >> i am 20 years old, [unintelligible] >> i am andrew, 18. >> my name is nathan, 19 years old, president of club -- >> i work for the t
this was a big deal when the middle schools opened up. at a very local level -- this has a direct impact for your age, and in between. the things that you educate us on today, they'll be debated with a different priority but we will take this back to washington. that will be part of the discussion with the other 99, and the different communities across the country. there are others who are not, and some of the work that is being done today, this is very important for the people in alabama....
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i see that you brought a big aerial photograph with overly geology. >> it is a big google map with overly geology. the different colors depict the different formations or deposits beneath san francisco. san francisco is a young environment. it is a relatively young environment. the basement rock beneath san francisco is known as the franciscan complex or formation. it is throughout the city, most notably twin peaks, edge hill, telegraph hill. every once in awhile, you hear about those who make the news with a rock fall or landslide. usually occur in the telegraph and twin peaks. . above the rock are the soil deposits. the most common is dune sand. it is nothing but rocks that has been worn down from the sierras and deposited along the beaches. the wind blew that dune sand over most of the city. it is this mustard color. on the avenues, it is very thick. it can be up to 400 feet thick. as you moved south across slope boulevard, that is the tolar foundation. it was named after the first to score every in -- after the first discovery in the cemetery. the man was out there and noticed this ma
i see that you brought a big aerial photograph with overly geology. >> it is a big google map with overly geology. the different colors depict the different formations or deposits beneath san francisco. san francisco is a young environment. it is a relatively young environment. the basement rock beneath san francisco is known as the franciscan complex or formation. it is throughout the city, most notably twin peaks, edge hill, telegraph hill. every once in awhile, you hear about those who...
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big surprise. the tempered caught right at the frames and it was the tempered clearly that was keeping everything together. the building was going this way, and the glass was acting almost like a sheer wall. other times it totally collaps collapsed. seismically, ooh, that's a laurence question. >> they have limits on what both the transient drift and permanent drift is allowed to be, how far they are allowed to sway and how far they're allowed to be out of plumb. what they calculate it to be they come up with a resilient system of setting the glazing so that at the levels of drift there should be no pressure placed against the glazing. so that's the design. we will wait for a big earthquake and see how it plays out. but should be okay. the drift issues are things that we've been talking about for these high rise buildings. what are appropriate drift limits, and how much can a 600 foot building be permanently displaced and still be an acceptable building. how long can we expect the glazing in one of
big surprise. the tempered caught right at the frames and it was the tempered clearly that was keeping everything together. the building was going this way, and the glass was acting almost like a sheer wall. other times it totally collaps collapsed. seismically, ooh, that's a laurence question. >> they have limits on what both the transient drift and permanent drift is allowed to be, how far they are allowed to sway and how far they're allowed to be out of plumb. what they calculate it to...
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and we keep the necessary path of travel for pedestrians but if we open this up so we don't cut a big root. we try to preserve as many roots as we can. >> the path of travel, the city has a minimum travel standard, i believe it is 48 inches. >> it is. >> we easily maintained thap about we see where trees encroach on that or are tripping hazards. >> we never want to go less than 48 inches in the path of travel, ideally, it is more than that, but if it is scrult of losing or keeping a tree we'll shrink down to whatever we need to. >> let's move around the corner, to this. see if we can get in the shade over here. here we have one of those trees. what kind of yuke lip tass is this? >> this is the dollar one. >> i remember that from my tree classes. >> warren knows as much as do i, he's just in the wrong department. we're going to recruit him. >> so, what they call silver dollar. the leaves are the shape and size of silver dollars. silver dollar. >> this is another tree that we see fairly often in san francisco, although, not a tree that we, currently recommend as a street tree, but we'll
and we keep the necessary path of travel for pedestrians but if we open this up so we don't cut a big root. we try to preserve as many roots as we can. >> the path of travel, the city has a minimum travel standard, i believe it is 48 inches. >> it is. >> we easily maintained thap about we see where trees encroach on that or are tripping hazards. >> we never want to go less than 48 inches in the path of travel, ideally, it is more than that, but if it is scrult of losing...
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>> i was a big supporter of chief gaston. i think he will do a great job in the district attorney's office. part of me was sad to see him go from the police department. he had come in and started modernizing the department. it's technology -- a lot of different changes that needed to happen but were not happening until he came in and start of the department on the right path. it is critical that whoever the next chief of police is continue that modernization of the department. it will have benefits citywide. in my district, we have public safety challenges. the district is often viewed as a "safe district." we do have violence. we had a bunch of violence around delores park last year. there have been robberies in glen park and parts of the valley. there have been shootings in diamond heights. one of the challenges is making sure that the police department understands that even though we may not have the same crime levels as some neighborhoods, we still need attention from the police department. >> let's talk about the city's
>> i was a big supporter of chief gaston. i think he will do a great job in the district attorney's office. part of me was sad to see him go from the police department. he had come in and started modernizing the department. it's technology -- a lot of different changes that needed to happen but were not happening until he came in and start of the department on the right path. it is critical that whoever the next chief of police is continue that modernization of the department. it will...
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the ymc has launched big brothers and big sisters. nick cannon has an entire campaign of stop hating. kind of embedded in citiess and communities around california. in terms of digital media, i think that's a very important part. we have a lot of digital lead companies. you have new america media. youth outlook. you've not bay cat and bay vac. each of those are engaged with probationers. so i think that people recognize the value of digital media. we have to connect and explore those job opportunities directing our young people. we are doing that. we are around in digital media work. >> i meant to say bay cat. it's actually a digital media company. we work with the crn and currently trying to pull things together with bay cat. it's a good place in terms of getting our youth in that. >> i would like to engage the private sector to push the limits on the use of technology to keep in touch with our kids. i would love to put a cell phone in the hands of everybody in the probation. and that we would have the kids on hand. they don't make a
the ymc has launched big brothers and big sisters. nick cannon has an entire campaign of stop hating. kind of embedded in citiess and communities around california. in terms of digital media, i think that's a very important part. we have a lot of digital lead companies. you have new america media. youth outlook. you've not bay cat and bay vac. each of those are engaged with probationers. so i think that people recognize the value of digital media. we have to connect and explore those job...
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there are big disputes over whether it can be developed safely predict -- developed safely. and the filbert street stairs, because of the rockfall that occurred, new stairs were built, and they were built in a manner that when rockfalls occur, that actually lift out the stairs and put them on the ground and allow the crane to get back there to access the rockfall. >> beyond that, the building that we see at the bottom of the rockfall was actually designed to allow barack to fall off and be compounded by the building -- actually designed to allow barack to fall off and be impounded by the building. >> that is the corner of sansome and green. every couple years, there is a rock fall that occurs behind that building. >> now we are on russian hill. this is the most beautiful location of exposed bedrock. across the street from the art institute on chestnut. >> that and tires sitting -- that entire setting, that is a beautiful setting, the deck and the panorama of the city. >> cannot be it. now we are on at leavenworth street, around the corner of chestnut or francisco. >> these w
there are big disputes over whether it can be developed safely predict -- developed safely. and the filbert street stairs, because of the rockfall that occurred, new stairs were built, and they were built in a manner that when rockfalls occur, that actually lift out the stairs and put them on the ground and allow the crane to get back there to access the rockfall. >> beyond that, the building that we see at the bottom of the rockfall was actually designed to allow barack to fall off and...
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have a voice at that table to really create policies that will minimize that san francisco is not a big business-friendly city. i think we started to go in the wrong direction. the reason why we started walking down that path largely was because of political ideology. when you deal with me, you are dealing with facts, less than politics. i really want to have a positive impact on the city overall. >> good afternoon, everyone. how are you? >> good. >> it's a nice day today. thank you for coming out to our community event. please give a round of [applause] to them. we have a lot of development going on. you see how lovely leland street looks. do you like it? >> yes. >> beautiful, isn't it? we are going to continue. we have a library that is going to be opening up in june. that's right. so i will see you all there at the library. there is a lot of activity going on. it is important we remain connected and engaged. >> would you mind if we were to pull the seniors together and translate for me in a mini meeting? >> yes, sir. >> what we are going ready to do is we are going to have a quick li
have a voice at that table to really create policies that will minimize that san francisco is not a big business-friendly city. i think we started to go in the wrong direction. the reason why we started walking down that path largely was because of political ideology. when you deal with me, you are dealing with facts, less than politics. i really want to have a positive impact on the city overall. >> good afternoon, everyone. how are you? >> good. >> it's a nice day today....
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it's not a big deal. and if you fail to do that, you will be replacing your deck. >> one thing about stairs and really you have to -- if you're rebuilding a set of stairs, exterior stairs, what we try to do now is, if it doesn't have to be a usable space underneath, in other words, if it could just be an exterior storage, you can build the stairs and shim them off a finish siding on the inside. so you're not like the situation that -- i don't know if you've shown them the stairs, but you can build exterior stairs so you allow water to pass through. you can have it drain out. obviously if you have stairs over a living space you have to water proof the stairs -- waterproof the stairs but a lot of energy is being spent trying to get exterior stairs waterproof when you could just let the water flow through. some of the stairs you're showing are good examples of those. >> we have another shot in a minute. here's somebody's exterior deck and stairs which they've been -- a couple of rails have been replaced. i w
it's not a big deal. and if you fail to do that, you will be replacing your deck. >> one thing about stairs and really you have to -- if you're rebuilding a set of stairs, exterior stairs, what we try to do now is, if it doesn't have to be a usable space underneath, in other words, if it could just be an exterior storage, you can build the stairs and shim them off a finish siding on the inside. so you're not like the situation that -- i don't know if you've shown them the stairs, but you...
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durability is one of the big questions that we have not yet really wrestled with sufficiently. so if you were to say we're meeting the code, i would say what does the code require for durability. >> in terms of safety, why is glass in high rise buildings not laminated? >> sometimes it is. it is seldom, but the issue that we were just talking about could be -- is true for laminated insulated glass, or tempered insulated glass. it's the insulation that goes bad, not the glass. >> but we were talking about skylights, skylights were tempered, we had a problem with chardz coming down. >> and to answer the question, yes, laminated glass is very often used for glass. and we do use quite a bit of laminated glass. it's ordinary, laminated is two pieces of window glass together, with a pbb in between. ordinarily it's 030 or to meet safety requirements and they put a little bug on the corner that says what requirements that meets. >> if you use a piece of safety glazing it is required by the code to have the little stamp that's permanently etched into the glass or attached somehow. so tha
durability is one of the big questions that we have not yet really wrestled with sufficiently. so if you were to say we're meeting the code, i would say what does the code require for durability. >> in terms of safety, why is glass in high rise buildings not laminated? >> sometimes it is. it is seldom, but the issue that we were just talking about could be -- is true for laminated insulated glass, or tempered insulated glass. it's the insulation that goes bad, not the glass....